One of the biggest Humiliation for Mirza and Ahmadiyyat

You came for the title huh, if I had a different title (A boring one), 20% of you who are here won’t be reading this, but nevertheless, this should be a strong critique of Mirza and his followers.

I’ve read previously an article on ‘the art of misinformation’ (An Ahmadi website) explaining the Dajjal and the Mahdi in Ahmadiyya thought. They had this website running until 2013, surprisingly enough, they kept the comment section open, and it was infiltrated by people who knew exactly what Ahmadiyyat was about. I’m not aware of the real reason why they stopped posting, but my best shot is that they figured out the fairy tale they were living on were not practical in any way. But anyway, regarding MGA, they said

Through “Love for All, Hatred for None,” the peaceful message of the pristine Islam as revived through Ahmadiyyat will one day encompass the hearts of the majority of the world, and no one will be able to stop this ongoing process. This also refers to the Promised Messiah’sas “breaking of the Cross” (one of the signs of the Promised Messiah in the Ahadith) ie. Christianity (its present form being the Dajjal) through rational arguments, and peaceful exhortation…. The destruction of the Dajjal through rational arguments is in itself in accordance with the Ahadith, as the Prophet Muhammadsa said that:

“If the Dajjal makes his appearance and I am in your midst, I will overpower him with arguments; and if he appears and I am not in your midst, everyone should argue with him.”

Isn’t it ironic that the very slogan that Ahmadis pride themselves with is not from their founder? MGA’s heart would need to be boiled at 3000C for him to utter the word ‘love’ to someone, let alone everyone. I could spend my time debunking this whole issue of Dajjal and all that, but I’m sure people aren’t interested. Let’s focus on the observable and not the theoretical for a moment. So here we see that MGA should come with rational arguments (even though the Hadith can’t be traced).

The best example to look at is his debate with Atham. On the review of religions, they have a two part series explaining this great debate that took place over 15 days. The debate is recorded in a small booklet called ‘The Holy War’, and these ambitiously long articles were an explanation of this great victory of MGA over Atham. If they were brave enough, they would actually translate the debate so we Muslims, or even Ahmadis could benefit from his rational arguments, at the end of the day, he came to destroy Christianity right?

But I thank God, Hani Tahir had them translated, and I managed to get my hand on it; and boy oh boy, what a disgrace. Here’s one question thrown at MGA, and just look at his answer

Question: How do we fast in areas where the sun never sets to six months?

Answer: If we measured their abilities to the general capabilities of the people, then they must conjure with the general people in terms of the duration of the rooted capacity in humans… So, the duration of the pregnancy as well. So if our duration of observance in the general term is necessary in their areas, then the period of pregnancy with them should be a day and a half only. And if we measured the duration of the pregnancy on the days in those areas, the fetus should remain in the abdomen for 266 years in accordance to our known days, and the responsibility of proving that falls on you. But if we estimated the duration of pregnancy for them as 266 years, it is not far reaching for them to withstand fasting for six months as well in accordance to our days because this is a measure of a day for them, and they must have the strength to work it out.

To be honest, I should be laughing, swearing and mocking this person, but I decided to change my approach. I had to perform volountry prayers just to humble myself before I wrote this piece.

I don’t know about you, but I read this a thousand times, and I still don’t know what the hell he’s saying. If Ahmadis understand, then please enlighten us with this mystery. As for the question, if you don’t know the answer, just keep your mouth shut. Or just say Allah o A’lam. That’s it. I bet Atham was sitting there like ‘what in the hell have I got myself into’, I bet he turned around to his friend and whispered ‘we need to get out of here NOW’

This brings me to my favourite topic, and that is the failed prophecy of the death of Atham. At this time, MGA knew he was badly losing, or at least that he’s going nowhere with this debate. He first tried to accuse Atham of calling our prophet Muhammad (sas) a Dajjal. In reply:

Thus when Atham was apprised of this prophecy (calling Muhammad (sas)) in this gathering of more than seventy people, he blanched visibly, his face turned pale, and his hands started to tremble. He immediately took his tongue out of his mouth, touched his ears with both hands, and began to shake his head and hands just like frightened culprit who vehemently denies any wrongdoing, repents and shows great humility. With a quivering tongue, he kept saying, I repent! I repent! I am not guilty of any disrespect or blasphemy; and I have never called the Holy Prophet saw Dajjal. (Nazulul Masih, Ruhani Khazain Vol 18. Pp 541-545)

This source is from Ahmadi writings, I’m not entirely sure if he was actually that frightened, but I’m sure he was shocked at the allegation raised by MGA and said he never called our prophet a Dajjal. Nonetheless, it gets worst. After this useless debate, and MGA failing to perform the miracles of Isa (as) when presented with physically impaired men, he promised that Atham would die within 15 months, provided he does not turn back to Islam. I will rely heavily (basically, copy and paste) use Irshad’s website for all these sources

“When I humbly entreated and implored God Almighty and prayed to Him to show me the details of the matter, He indicated to me that the liar will die within 15 months (before September 5, 1894), provided he does not return to the truth (Islam); and he who is on the truth and believes in true God, his honor will be restored and when this prophecy is fulfilled some blind man will start seeing, paralyzed start walking, and deaf start hearing.  I admit that if this prophecy proves to be False, I am prepared for every punishment.  My face should be blackened and I should be hanged.  I swear by the Mighty Allah that what I have said will happen.  It must happen.  It is possible that the earth may be changed for another earth and the sky may be replaced by another sky, but it is not possible for God’s word to change — prepare for me a cross if my falsehood is exposed and curse me more than the Satans and the evil persons are cursed.” (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 292-293; Jang-i-Maqaddas, P. 188)

We need to keep in mind that Atham was already sixty six (66) years old, at the time of this prophecy. During the next 10 months, several attempts on Mr. Atham’s life were made: someone fired a shot at him, a cobra was found in his house, people tried to break the door to his bedroom, etc. (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 13, P. 163)

Following all these attempts on his life Atham was given continuous police protection and, to throw off the would be assassins, he changed his residence several times.  As the promised deadline drew closer, MGA and his followers grew more and more anxious. On August 22, 1894, in a letter to one of his closest associates, Mirza Ghulam stated:

“Respected brother Rustam Ali,
Peace, God’s mercy and blessing on you.

Your esteemed letter and card have reached me through the mail.  Only a few days are now left for the fulfillment of the grand prophecy.  We pray that God might save his servants from confusion and trial.  The person in question (Abdullah Atham) is currently in Ferozpur (a city in India) and is still hale and healthy.  May Allah save His weak servants from distraction. Amen! Amen!  I am fine.  Please also ask Moulvi Sahib to join us in our prayer (that Mr. Atham should die).
Salam; Ghulam Ahmad from Qadian.”
(Maktubat-e-Ahmadiah, Vol. 5, No. 3, P. 128, by Yaqub Ali of Qadian)

Bashir Ahmad, a son and a very close supporter of Mirza Ghulam, has recorded the following:

“Miyan Abdullah Sinnuari has reported to me that when only one day was left for the expiration of the prophecy (September 4, 1894), the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam) summoned Miyan Hamdi Ali and I and ordered us to take a particular number of beans and recite on them a particular chapter of the Holy Quran so many times.  I have forgotten the verse, but I remember it was a short surah, probably as short as “Al-Fil”.  We spent the entire night reciting the chapter and, after completing the assignment, we took the beans to His Holiness (Mirza Ghulam).  He lead us to the northern part of Qadian and told us: ‘I shall soon throw these beans in a deserted well.  When I throw these, do not look behind but turn back on your heels and hasten back home.’  He did so and we ran back home without looking behind.”
(Sirat-ul-Mahdi, Vol. I, P.159/178, by Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)

Yaqub Ali in his book titled the Life of the Promised Messiah recounted:

“When the last day of the period appointed for Atham dawned, the faces of the Qadianis were pale white and their hearts were perturbed.  Some of us had laid bets with the opponents on the death of Abdullah Atham. A sense of dismay and depression prevailed.” (Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P. 7)

The sun set and nothing, again! Mirza Ghulam gathered people in a mosque and reassured them that nothing was lost.  He prophecised that “The sun will not rise and Atham will be dead.” He ordered them to pray all night asking for the death of Atham. (Raees-e-Qadian, Vol. 2, P. 172). That night voices were heard from every Qadiani house in town, so that the “cries and wails reached such a pitch that even the opponents felt afraid.” (Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P. 7)

Yet, the sun rose and Atham had not died!  Many Qadianis were agitated by these failed prophecies, some even gave up on their faith.  Mirza Ghulam, once again, gathered his remaining supporters and gave them a sermon on the meaning of tests and trials.  Some accepted his explanation and forgot the failure of the prophecies he had attributed to Allah(SWT).  On the other hand, the Christians celebrated the failure of Mirza Ghulam in Amristar (a city in India) and carried Mr. Atham around in a victory march.  To them, Mirza Ghulam’s loss equated the loss of Islam. (Al-Hukam of Qadian, September 7, 1923, by Rahim Buksh Qadiani)

In a last attempt to save face, Mirza Ghulam and some of his close associates suggested that, since the prophecies had not come to pass, Mr. Atham must have turned his back on Christianity and become a Muslim! (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 2)

In an announcement published in the newspaper Wadadar on September 15, 1894, Atham declared:

“I invite your attention to the prophecy of Ghulam Ahmad about my death.  I inform you that, by the grace of God, I am safe and sound.  I have heard Ghulam Ahmad alleging that I have turned my back on Christianity.  I proclaim that this is a lie.  I was a Christian and I ever remained a Christian and I thank God that He made me a Christian…” (Wafadar, Lahor, September 15, 1894 – not a Qadiani paper)


Lol, even Mahumd Ahmad narrated that he saw the companion Abdul Aziz bashing his head against the wall out of agony a night before Allah failed Mirza. They should really make a movie about this; he’d win the prize of ‘The most tragic end story ever’.

But the moral of the story is really striking. Look how evil Ahmadis were. Just because Atham has a different world view to you, doesn’t mean you chase him up, send him death threats, and try and kill him while you’re at it. You blame us Muslims for terrorism whereas in truth the biggest terrorists were the followers of this mad man. How sick do you have to be to go through all that?

Mirza alleged that he received the wahi ‘Allah has looked upon his concern and grief’, and so justifies the survival of Atham. Well, yes Allah did, because you nutbags were trying to kill him. When people said to him ‘hey, why wasn’t this published during the duration of the prophecy’, he answered with ‘some stupid people say why wasn’t the wahi published during the 15 month period. It should be made clear that it was published in the period of the prophecy’. This was compeletly wrong and I challenge any Ahmadi to prove me otherwise.

The assassination of another opponent called Likhram was also celebrated by Ahmadis. Why would you celebrate the assassination of someone? Isn’t that injustice? I’m pretty sure an Ahmadi was the one behind his killing. What sick people these people were, just unimaginable.

Even some Khutab of Mirza Masroor talk about how someone was killed, or his son was killed, or his wife divorced him just for opposing Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. What on earth are these moral principles? It’s truly sickening

Even some Khutab of Mirza Masroor talk about how someone was killed, or his son was killed, or his wife divorced him just for opposing Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. What on earth are these moral principles? It’s truly sickening

So Ahmadis, isn’t this clear enough?

And just one last thing, how did MGA break the cross? After losing a debate with Atham? Even some of his followers embraced Christianity after that humiliation.

But in all cases, there was no breaking of the cross. Even without this failed prophecy, Christianity is flourishing in the world except in America and Europe.

I quote from the Washington post

“Over the past 100 years, Christians grew from less than 10 percent of Africa’s population to its nearly 500 million today. One out of four Christians in the world presently is an Africa, and the Pew Research Center estimates that will grow to 40 percent by 2030.

Asia is also experiencing growth as world Christianity’s center has moved not only South, but also East. In the last century, Christianity grew at twice the rate of population in that continent. Asia’s Christian population of 350 million is projected to grow to 460 million by 2025.

The global religious wildcard is China. Even today, demographers estimate that more Christian believers are found worshipping in China on any given Sunday than in the United States.”

So where’s the breaking of the cross?



9 thoughts on “One of the biggest Humiliation for Mirza and Ahmadiyyat

  1. very good. It was one of his companion wife saw a dream of read sura on beans and throwing in well, so MGA requested above people to fulfill that dream in real. Typical practise of BRAELVI Islam ,they even claim MGA demolish these kind of backwards beans reading practices. Mr Atham was human being, like people of quraesh, like abu Janel , like other prophet sws enemies . Please any one let me any example of muhammed sws or his followers to pray all night for there death , please any one . I am not requesting this from any Ahamdi , I am so scarred they might produce somthing to justify there claim.

  2. Jazakallah for your insight

    You can’t compare Atham to Abu Jahil. You can’t say anyone who has a different view an enemy. From what I saw, Atham was very respectful, and even when he was accused of calling our prophet saw a Dajjal; he humbly objected to this claim.

    Look how Ahmadis chased him up and made him go mad just for disagreeing with them.

  3. i was just trying to comprehend, how one human can pray to Allah for death of an other human being on bases of religion . i am speechless.

  4. These people have got all they deserve. Pakistan did the best thing they have ever done and passed a law making this cult non Muslim. They are biggest threat to Islam. Mirza Ghulam was a fraudster. A charlaton who proclaimed. Love for none hatred for all.

  5. Jazakallah for your input

    But really, ur making this thing a whole lot bigger than it really is. Ahmadiyyat is not the biggest threat to Islam. They’re less than 1 million worldwide, and they’re barely surviving the donations they get. They only survive on persecution, if we Muslims sat down with them and talked things through, ahmadiyyat won’t be here today. But some mentality amongst us Muslims actually strengthen Ahmadiyyat because it makes them think they’re actually something because some Muslims are overtly angry on them.

    The biggest threat to Islam are Muslims themselves, and nobody else.

    You can say secularism is a threat, modernism is a threat, our intellectual downfall.

    I’m even embarrassed to have a website up to refute such a pathetic community.

  6. i agree with you total. us calling them big threat, and all other stuff make them feel very big. like they love protocols , they show these country prime minister meeting them, and paid police security , and entourages is a sign of truth. one spiritual leader so much in security, specially in these safe countries is beyond me??? i think he pass his spirituality via TV, or predicting wars . now days you go any ahmedi house, they ask you have you heard hazoor predicting world war 3, i stay quite, says to myself katie hopkins is predicting war three too…. i remember two years ago he predicted catastrophe and ordered his followers to do storage grocery, he even give list too. went all to waste after two years of wait for catastrophe.

  7. Yeh to be honest, if we invite Masroor Ahmad to a debate, or an interview, and respectfully ask him his views on culture, politics, history, or anything for that matter, and show the world the silly answers he gives, it would be much more effective than 100 screaming shaikhs at the pulpit calling them kuffar and what not.

    They’re only surviving on two things. The first is the constant fear of world war three, and the second is emotional attachment because of persecution. They’re the biggest mechanism for controlling Ahmadis out there.

    And yeh, with that whole world war three. They’ve been doing it since the reign of the second khalifa, and till today. It’s really silly, I used to chop planks of wood and store it in the house as fire fuel due to the coming war. I was so keen on it, that I nearly flopped my GCSE with all these conspiracies I was taking in. Really, if we just show the world and Muslims what these guys really get up to when they go home, the party would be over. I also heard so many instances of rats eating the rice and the stores food in the houses of Ahmadis, poor them. I also heard some Ahmadis betting with people, telling them ‘trust me, if world war three doesn’t break out in the next to month, then call me a liar and stupid’. And behold after two months. And this has been happening for decades, aren’t they sick of it? But I guess they’re a giant bubble of conspiracy theorists.

    Masroor Ahmad in a staggeringly embarrassing interview in Canada when he was asked a question, he without understanding replied a total different answer ending it with ‘we Ahmadi Muslims are the true Muslims’. Now that is a massive blow on part of Ahmadis because not only are they upsetting Muslims, but they are upsetting the west who for the last 5 decades have been allying with so fervently.

    While they go onto making these big claim of ‘we are peace’ and ‘we are logical’ and ‘we are true’, rather than slandering them kuffar, just give them a microphone and a camera. They’d seriously start eating themselves, and would never open their mouths ever. That’s what the west is doing to them, but unconsciously, the west ignorantly believed them in all of these big claims they were making, yet behold, when more and more interviews are conducted, and more and more cameras go into Jalsa, the more the people would know it’s nothing but a stinky cult.

    Did Katie Hopkins predict world war three? That’s interesting…..

  8. You should really add references and sources to your blog, very interested to see to dig deeper but I need the sources of where you got some information

  9. Salam bro

    I deleted a lot of my posts recently, so some references have been buried. Ahmadis don’t ask for references usually, you’re the second person so far.

    You can email me, or reply here for any references you wish to have. Some references have been a translation from Arabic through the documents that Hani Tahir has, but most are easily accessible.

    Do ask if you need the references, I wrote these posts in a hurry really, and looking back at them months after, I do feel a little embarrassed at the poor standard of English, but hay ho, I was only a teenager.

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