Mirza says Animals inhabit the Sun

It turns out nothing is working for Ahmadis. As much as they try to create a purpose, or fit in somewhere, they cannot. Everything has simply failed for them. Their knowledge of Islam is near zero, their secular knowledge is just as bad, and their spiritual situation is even worst. They cannot go anywhere, nor can they do anything. Such are the lives of those who chose to transgress and innovate in the religion of Allah.

My previous article was about exposing the double standards of Ahmadis when it comes to logic. They laugh at us for believing in Jinn, but when I found Tahir Ahmad speaking of how the Jinn changed the blade of his razor, they went bonkers. Not only is this pointless story ridiculous, but it goes against everything they build upon. This happens numerously in Ahmadiyyat, they say something, and shortly after, they find one of their Khalifs/or MGA saying the complete opposite. In this case, an Ahmadi replied on Twitter in rebellion, suggesting our belief in the splitting of the moon is illogical. They pride themselves in rejecting ‘illogicality’, and make fun of us for believing in such ‘fairy tales’ as they call it. They went to such an extent as to suggest that science and religion go together, that everything Allah does has to be within the realm of science. Hence, interpreting the Jinn differently, the splitting of the moon, the splitting of the sea by Moses (as), the departure of Muhammad (pbuh) to Al-Aqsa (Isra’ wal mi’raj) in one night, and basically everything which seems impossible without the laws of science.  Only recently have they backed up from this firm stand point, but nonetheless, they mock from the shadows, and then jump out and shout ‘illogical’, and then lurk back to the dark.

In most cases, they just say it’s a vision, and so in this instance, they believe the splitting of the moon was a vision seen by our prophet Muhammad (pbuh) along with the Sahabah. But in regards to Ahmadis who laugh at the literal interpretation of the splitting of the moon, I don’t have to defend the belief of Muslims in this matter. I have MGA to explain how the moon was split, not only that, but he explains it scientifically.

Here he is at it with the scientific explanation, listen carefully Ahmadis, you wouldn’t wanna miss this sacred scientific knowledge would ya!

“Contemporary scientific research has found that the splitting of the moon did not occur once, but the connection and the splitting take place continuously in the sun and the moon. Because contemporary science gives its valid idea that the sun and the moon are filled with animals and plants and others just like Earth. And this matter proves the splitting and joining of the moon, because it’s clear that the animals and plants and others take their body from the substance in the planet itself, which it was formed upon.

And it is not correct that the substance is brought to it via vehicles from another planet….So it is clear from this investigation that the splitting and joining are present in the moon every now and then, and now, and in the sun (splitting) also. And this great example in the splitting and joining is found in the splitting of the moon in the holy Quran. So if the scientists read for themselves at a smaller model, so what pushes them to fiercely reject it? So the real matter is evident through scientific investigation as well; that the splitting and connecting happen in the sun and the moon; so building upon that, it is a known fact these two objects (sun and moon) are filled with animals. (Eyeliner of Aryans 1886)

 

Even if we suggest there are animals on the sun. looooooool. How does that make it possible for the splitting of the moon? That’s some homework for Ahmadis. This is the number thousand contradiction so far! And counting….

It has to be noted that there was nothing enlightening about this man. Anything that benefits him, he takes it right away. Even his supposed love for Islam and the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) were fake sentiments. Just like with his prophethood, he only wants to fulfil his desires of fame and status, that’s all it is. He loves no one but himself. Even in this instance, he takes no second chances, and through this miracle of our prophet Muhammad (pbuh), he wants to show how he is amazing, and the one chosen and blessed. Next week Sunday, I will show how he degraded the status of Isa (as) to benefit himself.

After he says the splitting of the moon was real, and brings his scientific justification for it, he goes onto explain how this was some sort of prophecy, and how it was a type of eclipse like the eclipse that manifested at his time and  proved his truthfulness.

The splitting of the moon was a great miracle from the prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and its splitting was a type of eclipse, and it happened as Muhammad (pbuh) pointed towards it (moon). And Allah has showed in this age as well the signs of the eclipse. (Malfoozat from Al-Hakam, volume 7, number 20, page 1-3, 21/05/1902)

Some scientists say that the miracle of the splitting of the moon was a type of eclipse. (Fifth Barahin 1905)

It had certainly taken place and was called ‘splitting of moon’. And some said it was an eclipse of a wondrous nature prophesised by the holy Quran beforehand, and these signs came as a prophecy. So in this circumstance, the word ‘split’ will definitely be taken as metaphoric, because the hidden meaning of the lunar eclipse is connecting and splitting, and this is a metaphor (the fountain of knowledge, 1907)

 

Imam Al-Ghazali has some great work on the relationship between science and religion. I’m still too young to delve into such matters, but I have to tell Ahmadis that their attempt to reconcile the two in any shape or form is dubious, and only furthers the hypocrisy in this community. And just to hit the last nail into the wall, I will provide evidence to how MGA believed in ‘illogical’ miracles of our prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

“miracle of the Holy Prophet [peace and blessings of Allah be on him] which was the splitting of the moon, was displayed by Divine Power. It was not accompanied by any prayer as it happened merely by his pointing at the moon with his finger which was filled with Divine power. There are many other miracles which the Holy Prophet [peace and blessings of Allah be on him] worked purely with his power and which were not accompanied by any prayer. On many occasions, he multiplied water so much by dipping his fingers into a cup of water that the whole host and their camels and horses drank of it and yet the original quantity of the water was not diminished. On many occasions, by putting his hand upon three or four loaves of bread, he satisfied the hunger of thousands. On some occasions, he blessed a small quantity of milk with his lips and a company of people drank from it and were filled. On some occasions, by adding his saliva into a well of brackish water, he rendered it sweet. On some occasions, he healed severely wounded people of their injuries by placing his hands upon them. On some occasions, he replaced the eyeballs of people which had fallen out in consequence of some injury received in battle and healed them with the blessings of his hand. In this way, he did many other things by his personal power behind which worked Divine Power.” (The Essence of Islam – Volume 1, Page 274/275)

And then they still have the guts to go on TV and make an ijma’ that the Muslim Ummah believes in illogical ‘things’.

Shame on those who see no further than their bellies. Shame on the hypocrites. Shame on the liars. Shame on the Mushrikeen. Shame on those who see the truth but reject it. Shame on the cowards who can’t stand up to injustice, and shame upon all those who resolve to attacking Islam to defend their tribes.

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6 thoughts on “Mirza says Animals inhabit the Sun

  1. I have replied to your baseless allegation here.

    https://khalidnawaz123.wordpress.com/2016/10/20/is-sun-inhibited-by-animals/

    quoting that answer here as well.

    In a blog, https://trueahmadiyya.wordpress.com/2016/10/09/mirza-says-animals-inhabit-the-sun/, Author has alleged Hazrat Messiah Maood (as) of holding the belief that Sun and Moon have the animals. Author quotes from a page 274 of “Eyeliner for Aryas”.
    “Contemporary scientific research has found that the splitting of the moon did not occur once, but the connection and the splitting take place continuously in the sun and the moon. Because contemporary science gives its valid idea that the sun and the moon are filled with animals and plants and others just like Earth. And this matter proves the splitting and joining of the moon, because it’s clear that the animals and plants and others take their body from the substance in the planet itself, which it was formed upon.

    And it is not correct that the substance is brought to it via vehicles from another planet….So it is clear from this investigation that the splitting and joining are present in the moon every now and then, and now, and in the sun (splitting) also. And this great example in the splitting and joining is found in the splitting of the moon in the holy Quran. So if the scientists read for themselves at a smaller model, so what pushes them to fiercely reject it? So the real matter is evident through scientific investigation as well; that the splitting and connecting happen in the sun and the moon; so building upon that, it is a known fact these two objects (sun and moon) are filled with animals. (Eyeliner of Aryans 1886)

    It must be kept in mind that on page 272 of the same book, Hazrat Messiah Maood (as) wrote the summary of the debate written in this book. So whatever is written above is a summary of some other part of the same book. When we read the book “Eyeliner for Aryas”, we found that above topic is discussed in detail on page 134 of the same book.

    In subsequent part, I will show that this belief is actually Aryas believe which was used by the promised Messiah (as) as a counter allegation to prove Aryas wrong.

    Before quoting that portion, it would be good to discuss few things first
    Background of book “Eyeliner for Arya”

    Arya Dharm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya_Samaj) was a religious movement started in 1875 by the Dayananda. Pandat Dayananda who presented basic believes of his movement in his book “Sathyat Parkash”. This movement aimed at reforming the Hindu nation and alongside it they started attacking other religion as well.

    Hazrat Messiah Maood (as) wrote many articles against this movement and started a Jihad of Pen against them. In course of this Jihad against the Aryas, hazrat Messiah Maood (as) used the basic Quranic principle to answer the allegation raised against the Islam. Hazoor (as) also took an offensive position and attacked the wrong believes of the Arays samj as well.

    In attacking the position of the Arya Samaj, Hazoor (as) used the wrong believes of the Arays, explained the different outcome of their wrong believes and proved to them that their wrong believes are against the good attributes of the God and against the Natural Laws.
    Characteristic of Debate of Promised Messiah (as)

    As an example of such way of debating, I would like to share the following passage used against the Christians who attacked the Prophet hazrat Muhammad (saw).
    What was the character of Messiah, according to you? An alcoholic and gluttonous person, neither abstinent nor a pious worshipper, nor an adorer of truth. He was a non-believer and an arrogant and self-conceited claimant of divinity.

    People allege promised Messiah Maood (as) of dishonoring the Jesus (as) but this is not right. It is because Hazoor (as) assumed a fictitious Jesus whose character was taken as described in the Bible. Hazoor (as) himself has said in his book
    In our writings we have had this fictitious Jesus of the Christians in mind. The humble servant of God, Isa, son of Mary, who was a prophet and is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an, is not the object of our harsh condemnations. We have had to adopt this method after having endured for forty years the abuse of the Holy Prophet may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him by the Christian missionaries.

    This example shows how sometime Hazoor (as) used some belief of other religion to counter attack on those religion. He (as) also used same tactics to prove to the followers of other religion their wrong believes.

    Let’s now read the Arays belief of animals living on Sun and Moon.
    Aryas’ Belief of Animals Live on Sun and Moon

    Sathayrt Parkahs is written by Pandat Diyanada and is available online here: http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/chaptereight.htm#42 . It gives the following detail about Aryas’ belief about creatures inhibiting Sun and Moon.
    “39. What are the sun, the moon and the stars?
    Q. Are they inhabited by man and other living creatures or not?
    A.~ They are worlds inhabited by men and other living beings, The Shatpatha Braahman 14:6, 9, 4. says., “The earth, the water, the heated bodies, the space, the moon, the sun, and other planets are all called Vasus or abodes, because they are abodes of living beings as well as of inanimate objects.” When the sun, the moon and other planets are abodes like our earth, what doubt can there be in their being inhabited? When this little earth of God is full of men land other living beings, can it ever be possible that all other worlds are void? How can myriads of other worlds be of any use unless they are inhabited by man and other beings? It follows, therefore, that they are inhabited

    40. Do they have the same bodies?
    Q. Would men and other living beings in the other worlds have the same kind of bodies and bodily organs as they have here or different?

    A.~ Most likely there is some difference in their form and the like, just as you see some difference in form, countenance, appearance and complexion among people of different countries as the Ethiopeans, Chinese, the Indians and the Europeans. But the creation of the same class or species on this earth and other planets is identical. The class or species that has its sense organs (as eyes) in some definite place in the body here (on this planet), will have them in the same place other planets; for it is said in the Veda, “Just as God created the sun, the moon, the earth, and other planets and the objects therein in the previous cycles of Creation, the same has He done in the present Creation.” RIG VEDA 10: 190. He does not make any alteration.”

    So we see that it was Pandat Diyananda’s belief that Sun and Moon are inhibited by some creatures.
    Allegation on Promised Messiah (as) of believing in animals in Sun and Moon

    The book “Eyeliner for AryaSamaj” is the collection of those articles which were written during the debate between Master Murli Dhar and Promised Messiah (as). In this book, on page 132, Hazoor debated on belief of Tanaskh. Arays believe that souls are sent back to Earth in different form according to its sins or good deeds. Some souls are casted in Horses, while some in cows.

    As stated earlier, hazrat Messiah Maood (as) used believes of the other religion to prove them wrong. Hazoor (as) used to show to them how wrong they are by explaining those sides which largely remain hidden from the eyes of the followers of those religion.

    Keeping this way of debate in the mind, we need to read the page 132 to 136 of book “Eyeliner for AryaSamaj”. In these pages, hazrat Messiah Maood (as) were arguing against the Arays’ belief of Tanaskh. During answering this allegation Hazoor (as) used above belief of the Aryas to prove to them the wrong concept of Tanaskh.

    Summary of Hazoor (as) debate of page 132-133, Ruhani Khazain Volume 2 is stated below.

    Aryas says that all cows, horses, Earth, Sun and Moon are not because God created them for us, but because humans committed sins and they were turned into such creatures.
    Aryas have to believe that Sun and Moon are not without souls because this is what Pandat Diyananda believed and accepted.
    Also “Vadyas” repeatedly states that Sun and Moon etc are the souls. And when Human souls are connected with these objects, then it becomes a God and should be worshipped. That is why Hindus have been worshipping Sun and Fire since long.
    Souls are intricately linked with the body
    Arays must believe that each and every part of animals, plants, mineral etc has been the souls of human since long.
    Pandat Diyanada and his followers believe that there are animals in the Sun and Moon so they should also believe that creatures on those objects have been the created using the physical material of those Objects i.e. Sun and Moon.
    Hence Arays should believe that Sun and Moon also have the caves for souls ( to be used to create creatures on them)
    Hence Aryas need to believe that Sun and Moon were souls of human once upon a time and then because of some good deeds or because of some sins were turned into Sun and Moon.
    But such a believe is against the Natural Law and also against the Logic
    One need to pay attention to the last line of above summary, where Hazoor (as), after expounding the ayras believe, rejected the outcome of that belief of Tanaskh.

    We see that how Hazoor (as) first explained the detail outcome of Aryas’ belief of tanaskh and inhibiting of creatures on Sun and Moon and then logically proved that outcome against the Natural Laws.

    Hence alleging promised Messiah (as) that he (as) had the belief that “Sun and Moon have animals living in it” is totally wrong. This was the belief of Arya Samj, which was explained and its result was rejected by the promised Messiah Maood (as) subsequently.

    May God shows these non-Ahmadies right path.

  2. Okay, look Khalid

    Let me begin with this. Wallahi, I didn’t start this blog as a troll, or to annoy you Ahmadis. I’ve got a million things on my mind to do. So many aspirations and things to read, that it would be regretful of me to waste my time even replying to you now.

    But seriously, my advice to you is that if you’re coming here as an Ahmadi, and you want to be an Ahmadi for the rest of your life, then, I sincerely advice you to go away. No honestly, if you want to stay Ahmadi, don’t visit this site. Take this not from me, but from Ahmadis who have largely boycotted this platform. All the Murabbis and mostly all Jamia students have not had the thought of coming to this website, so why are you putting all this effort when none of them have the curtesy to even bother with writing up a response. Why so much effort kiddo? I’ve come across many Ahmadis, and to be frank with you, they’ve never opened up a single anti-Ahmadi website. All they do is spread rumours and that’s the best they can come up with. And oh, maybe they go out and do leafleting to the Kuffar (although we Muslims are Kuffar to you too), or you know, litter picking just to get that headline.

    So do as most Ahmadis do. If you believe that Ahmadiyyat is the only Islam, then please don’t read this website. If you are on the computer, just click that red button on the top right hand corner , and make an oath to yourself to never visit it again. This is only an advice from me to you. I’ve had Ahmadis who changed character drastically; become absolute morons just to defend this false prophet. I’ve had others leave Islam, and others who just spend their time insulting our Prophet (pbuh) to redeem your false prophet. I don’t want you to go through all that hard cognitive dissonance and mental pressure for something so pathetic and futile. So I urge you for the sake of your health to not visit this site again if you are determined to stay Ahmadi.

    Now, in response to your long essay about Aryan; all I can say is that you have contributed to this site further. So thank you for providing more evidence backing up the fact that MGA believed animals inhabited the sun. If Aryans really believed animals and plants inhabited the sun, then I think he took this fallacy from them, and tried to justify the splitting of the moon scientifically. If he was debunking their view, and saying this is contradictory to science, then where’s your evidence for that, because in your long essay, you have not mentioned that in the slightest. So here is my quote again if your brain still cannot process it

    “Contemporary scientific research has found that the splitting of the moon did not occur once, but the connection and the splitting take place continuously in the sun and the moon. Because contemporary science gives its valid idea that the sun and the moon are filled with animals and plants and others just like Earth. And this matter proves the splitting and joining of the moon, because it’s clear that the animals and plants and others take their body from the substance in the planet itself, which it was formed upon.
    And it is not correct that the substance is brought to it via vehicles from another planet….So it is clear from this investigation that the splitting and joining are present in the moon every now and then, and now, and in the sun (splitting) also. And this great example in the splitting and joining is found in the splitting of the moon in the holy Quran. So if the scientists read for themselves at a smaller model, so what pushes them to fiercely reject it? So the real matter is evident through scientific investigation as well; that the splitting and connecting happen in the sun and the moon; so building upon that, it is a known fact these two objects (sun and moon) are filled with animals. (Eyeliner of Aryans 1886)”

    Nice try though, but you’re the first Ahmadi to argue this. Most of the book (eyeliner of Aryan) was a rubbish attempt from MGA to justify the splitting of the moon. Since this seemed to people to be scientifically impossible, he tried justifying it scientifically by saying that because animals die and split, so does the moon and sun. If you are still not convinced by your Mirza’s explanation, here’s more quotes from the book that prove he believed in the splitting of the moon, and he was trying to somehow justify his stance on it

    “It was known, in the miracle of the splitting of the moon, that a part of the moon was still in its position, and the other (part) parted from it, and that was for a minute or half a minute, or less than that, so how far mentally is that? Even with the assumption that it was mentally far reaching, we will still say: when was it in the imperfect human mind to reach all but God’s work? (eyeliner of Aryans)”

    Do you want more evidence that he believed in the splitting of the moon, or is this enough? Plus, you don’t even agree with your founder that it was an eclipse. You said on Twitter that it was a meteorite that hit the moon as our prophet (pbuh) pointed at it. It’s ridiculous how much you Ahmadis go out of your way to explain all these miracles scientifically. You make them sound more ridiculous than they were originally.

    May Allah ease the mental pressure that all Ahmadis have to go through in this cult
    Ameen

  3. Read this and ponder…

    “Because contemporary science gives its valid idea that the sun and the moon are filled with animals and plants and others just like Earth۔”

    Also.. ponder on this,”So the real matter is evident through scientific investigation as well; that the splitting and connecting happen in the sun and the moon; so building upon that, it is a known fact these two objects (sun and moon) are filled with animals.”

    He is quoting the scientific researchers not his own. Be noted.

  4. hmmmm…..

    so…….

    your point?

    Mirza always says ‘the philosophers have said’, or ‘history shows’, or ‘The Mufasiroon have said’ without providing any evidence.

    Like dear boy Khalid has outlined above that this was a Hindu belief, Mirza just copied it and added it was scientific.

    First of all, its not scientific. And why would you say science shows without providing evidence? or referencing at least the journal article this was stated it.

    Anyhow, if you actually sit down and read the books of your founder, you will find that this section called ‘eyeliner of Aryan’ was entirely a defence of the physical splitting of the moon.

    Now Mirza Tahir Ahmad said the splitting of the moon was actually due to a meteoroid which hit the moon as our beloved prophet Muhammad sas pointed at it.

    At the end of the day, Mirza believes the moon was split physically, and Ahmadis keep on laughing at this interpretation.

    I couldn’t care less how wacky this guy is. I’m calling out hypocrisy, and I’m calling out Ahmadis who don’t read the books of their founder.

    Shame on every single Ahmadi who hasn’t taken out his time to ponder and read the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

  5. actually we both erred here.
    He originally did not say Scientific or Science. He said Philosophers in their evidence of research.

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