Lies, lies, lies…..and more lies….and more deceit, I’m getting so dizzy by all this madness.
As we discussed earlier, the official stance of Ahmadis, is that MGA claimed prophethood in 1901 even though there is no evidence whatsoever to back up this theory. Nonetheless, it has to be taken into account that he was the ‘promised messiah’ in 1891. So from 1891-1901, for 10 years straight, he kept on denying his prophethood while cursing and making Takfeer on those who profess any type of prophethood. But when he claimed Messiahship, Muslims accused him of claiming prophethood also, because the hadith necessitates for the Messiah to be a prophet. To that, he replied with
“Therefore, I have not the least hesitation in stating my meaning in another form for the conciliation of my Muslim brethren, and that other form is that in every place instead of the word nabi the word muhaddas should be understood, and the word nabi should be regarded as having been deleted.” (declaration issued on 3 February 1892 in Lahore)
“I say it repeatedly that these words rasul and mursal and nabi undoubtedly occur about me in my revelation from God, but they do not bear their real meanings. And just as these do not, similarly the Promised Messiah being called nabi in Hadith is not meant in a real sense…This very thing has been disclosed to me that the doors of real prophethood are fully closed after the Khatam an-nabiyyin, the Holy Prophet Muhammad. According to the real meaning, no new prophet nor an ancient prophet can now come.” (Siraj Munir, pages 2 – 3, published March 1897)
No doubt, Ahmadis do believe he rejected his prophethood in the period of his supposed Messiaship which started in 1891. But here’s the spin, and here’s where Tahir Ahmad came along and called him a liar according to hadith. This was part of an answer in a Q and A he gave not long before his death
“If the Promised Messiah is true, he had to be a prophet, because the Holy Prophet(saw) himself said, that the Messiah that is to come will be a prophet. So suppose the Promised Messiah said ” I am not a prophet”, the Holy Prophet(saw) would be declaring the Promised Messiah as a liar, because He would say ” Have you not read the Hadith of Muslim?, I have myself named the messiah to appear in this Ummah (Muslim World) as a prophet.” So if anybody claims that he is a messiah, and not a prophet, he is definitely a liar, you cannot prove him otherwise.”
So according to Mirza Tahir Ahmad, if MGA said “I am not a prophet” while claiming Messiahship, he’s a liar according to Muhammad (pbuh). So here we have it folks, not only did MGA say he wasn’t a prophet while claiming to be the promised Messiah, he cursed and made Takfeer upon those who claim prophethood, and not only that, he interpreted the word ‘nabi’ in the hadith to be metaphorical and not in the real sense as Tahir Ahmad took it.
Let’s suppose that MGA after denying his prophethood claimed he was a prophet in 1901, according to Tahir Ahmad, he would have been a liar for 10 complete years because he denied his prophethood while claiming Messiahship.
But Ahmadis have managed to come up with a new theory to avoid this embarrassment. They say he was a prophet from the 1880’s when he was writing the first Barahin Ahmadiyya. So he was always a prophet, but he kind of rejected his prophethood in the real sense until 1901. Even reading that makes me confused. Normally, when Ahmadis are confronted with difficult questions and they actually want an answer, they email a Jamat official to get an answer. The response usually is a 40,000 word-long thesis which makes no sense whatsoever. Not just because it’s structured with complexity, or because of its length, but because the person writing it doesn’t understand what’s going on, he’s just forced to come up with a solution somehow, even if he has to start talking about geometry or cows. That gets a lot of Ahmadis frustrated, and that’s why you don’t see any of them doing dawah, or bothered by all this theology stuff. Just Khalifa Khalifa Khalifa all day long…..
That’s still not a theory in case any Ahmadi gets excited. Let’s suppose he was a prophet from the 80’s but didn’t understand it fully, or rejected it out of humbleness. The first statement I presented above was actually a reply to Maulvi Abdul Kareem who accused MGA of announcing prophethood after he announced his position as the Messiah. In reply to this Shaykh, he said to delete the word ‘nabi’ from my writings, and that it doesn’t mean anything. Isn’t that enough to suggest that he was rejecting his prophethood, why didn’t he say ‘yes, he’s right, I’m a prophet’, or at the very least, explaining that he was not a law bearing prophet, but a prophet without law.
Even if Ahmadis want to say that he was denying his position as a law bearing prophet only, why didn’t he clarify it when he was accused of claiming prophethood by Abdul Kareem? How come he interpreted the hadith metaphorically rather than literally? Who does that? He’s really making a joke out of revelation in this episode. You’ve been called a prophet from 1880 at the very least, but you kept on rejecting it for over 20 years. Was it that hard? Is this the long awaited Messiah, who denied his prophethood for over 20 years? Is this the person who will establish peace and Justice, is he the one who destroyed Christianity and killed the metaphoric pig? He couldn’t even clarify his prophethood for decades, and you Ahmadis want to convince me he’s worth a google search!!!
At the end of the day, Mirza rejected his prophethood, cursed and made Takfeer on whoever claims prophethood while being the ‘Messiah’. According to Tahir Ahmad, he’s a liar according to Muhammad (pbuh) because from his own words ‘suppose the Promised Messiah said “I am not a prophet”, the Holy Prophet (saw) would be declaring the Promised Messiah as a liar’. So that’s the crux of the argument, it’s done, whether you want to take it to China or Brazil, it wouldn’t work. You’ve played yourself….
Now, it’s not fair for Tahir Ahmad to get the glory for calling his granddad a liar. So it’s only fair if I balance things out and show Tahir Ahmad a liar in that same excerpt from a Q and A session he had not long before his death. I’ll expose this hypocrite too, because at the end of the day, it does run in the family. Tahir Ahmad goes onto call all Muslims Kuffar and outside the fold of Islam for rejecting a new prophet. I’ve heard him on other occasions, probably when the camera was rolling saying Muslims are Muslims and so on and so forth, all these hypocrites, as soon as they are questioned publicly, talk in a total different manner. As MGA kept on telling his followers of his prophethood, when asked, he rejected. Similarly with Tahir Ahmad, he may appear on tape saying Muslims are Muslims, but in this Q and A, he certainly does not say any of that, and makes his case crystal clear. Here, he explains it as
Yet according to the Holy Prophet, Muslims need Imam Mahdi and are waiting for Imam Mahdi… If you should think of it now, you will be surprised that Muslims belief and Ahmadis beliefs are exactly the same. Not an iota of difference can be proved between our two beliefs.
All Muslims believe that Imam Mahdi is going to be appointed by Allah, and is not going to be elected by the Muslims….However this is one part of the belief. The other part of the belief is that whoever refuses to accept him will become kafir. The entire Ummah believes in these two things except the Chakaralvis and the Ahle Quran. The rest of the Ummah believe that Imam Mahdi will be appointed by Allah himself, and there will not be an election. They also believe that Imam Mahdi, once he is appointed, will be the imam for the whole Ummah and for the whole universe. Whoever denies him, and whoever opposes him would go out of the pale of Islam.
So now only one question is left, Has the Imam Mahdi appeared or not?
Muslims declare Ahmadis as non-muslims, because we believe in a new prophet. If we are kafirs because of this, Muslims belief being exactly the same as Ahmadis, every Muslim is therefore a Kafir!
Such is the example of those who lie unto Allah; disgraced in this world and the hereafter.
What Tahir Ahmad just said there is what Ahmadis do today. When asked if they call us Kafir, they say no, as long as you say you are Muslim, you are Muslim. Then you ask them about rejecting revelation and prophets, they say ‘what will be the condition of someone when the Mahdi comes and he rejects him’, so the Muslim replies ‘Kafir’, then the Ahmadi shouts with joy ‘see, you said it, I didn’t say it’. Then the Muslim asks him why he just doesn’t say we are Kafir openly, the Ahmadi has nothing to do but go back in the box of darkness where he/she belongs. Such is the example of hypocrites.
After reading all of this, think Ahmadis, think for God’s sake, what excuse will you give on the day of judgement?