The deceiver in the case of Prophethood

Recently, an Ahmadi notified me concerning the comment section. I had no idea it was disabled all this time, so from now on, it should be open for anyone to comment (I doubt Ahmadis would though).

Now, this is probably the saddest and most miserable topic in the history of Ahmadiyyat. Twisting the Quran, sharia and the hadith to suit the whims and passions of men is certainly not the right path to take. Whether you want to blow yourself up in the case of ISIS, or call yourself a prophet in the case of MGA, you’re always going to fall into trouble due to short and inadequate thinking.

The example of prophethood is just that, it’s a mess, and a mess that’s really hard to get out from. MGA messed up big time, and his son didn’t disappoint by adding even more confusion to the mess already left by the deviant.

Just like the deceit seen in the episode of prophesies, the same applies with his claim to prophethood. He wanted to be a prophet, but at the same time, avoid the wrath and Takfeer of Muslims. And although a lot of Muslims might be upset by what I’m going to say, but I do believe MGA never actually proclaimed he was a prophet. I don’t think he changed in 1901, that doesn’t mean I’m a Lahori. I despise anyone who sees MGA as a moral being, let alone seeing him as good or noble. This has to be the most complicated topic I have come across, and I spent hours comparing Lahori and Ahmadi text to see whose right, but fortunately, they’re both wrong. Ahmadis are more wrong for believing he was an actual prophet like Jesus (as), but Lahoris are just as bad for thinking he never wanted people to think or take him as an actual prophet.

On either side, the story isn’t complete and it doesn’t work. For Lahoris, why did MGA claim prophethood in the first place if he wasn’t really one? Didn’t he say it was metaphorical, or that it doesn’t mean anything, and even said to delete the word ‘nabi’ in response to Shaykh Abdul Kareem? Why did he then keep on calling himself a prophet?

The Ahmadi case is a lot more complicated. Here’s how the story went

This the official stance of Ahmadiyyat on the matter from Mahmud Ahmad himself

“The issue of prophethood became clear to him in 1900 or 1901, and as Ayk Ghalati Ka Izala (misconception removed) was published in 1901, in which he has proclaimed his prophethood most forcefully, it shows he made a change in his belief in 1901, and the year 1900 is a middle period which is like a boundary between the two views….It is proved that the references dating prior to the year 1901 in which he denied being a prophet, are now abrogated and it is an error to use them as evidence.” ( Haqiqat-un-Nubuwwat, p.121)

It’s also claimed by Lahoris that Mahmud Ahmad couldn’t get the right date fixed, either in 1902, or in 1901, but the fact that he’s not sure in the above narration, and there being a middle phase before this huge transition is worrying, and why didn’t he reference MGA’s apparent change of claim? The fact and the matter is, MGA just kept on playing with words, neither can he claim prophethood, nor can he keep his mouth shut about his prophethood. Although Ahmadis say MGA claimed prophethood in his book misconception removed, there is no clear indication of this in the book, it’s not any different from his previous writings. MGA never said ‘my previous writings have now been abrogated, and therefore everything I said about prophethood previously should not be taken.’That is totally false and built on fairy tales, which is why I lean towards the interpretation of Lahoris.

Let’s suppose for a second that he changed in 1901, even though the evidence to that is near zero. In 1897, less than five years before he claimed prophethood, he called claimants to prophethood Kuffar

“Can a wretched imposter who claims messengership and prophethood for himself have any belief in the Holy Quran? And can a man who believes in the Holy Quran, and believes the verse ‘He is the Messenger of Allah and the Khatam an-nabiyyin’ to be the word of God, say that he too is a messenger and prophet after the Holy Prophet Muhammad? (Anjam Atham, pages 27 – 28, published January 1897)

He also said this less than two years before his supposed claim in 1901

“As these words, which are only in a metaphorical sense, cause trouble in Islam, leading to very bad consequences, these terms should not be used in our community’s common talk and everyday language. It should be believed from the bottom of the heart that prophethood has terminated with the Holy Prophet Muhammad”(published in Al-Hakam, vol. iii, no. 29, 17 August 1899)

I’ll yet provide more evidence to back up my theory. He first of all epically writes this in the footnote of the book Noor Al Quran in 1895

“and if someone says that also this age doesn’t lessen in corruption, wrongful Aqeeda and the committing of sins, so why wasn’t a prophet sent? The answer is that the age (time of Muhammad (pbuh)) had been emptied of tawheed and truthfulness, but in this age, there are 400 million people who say the shahadah of la ilah illa allah, and even with this, Allah has not stopped sending reformers (Mujadids) in it too.” (Noor Al Quran, 1895)

So it turns out there was no need for a prophet after all, and before Ahmadis jump out and say ‘oh, but he’s not a shar’i prophet, and there is no need for that, but a non-shar’i is acceptable’. It has to be taken into account that according to MGA, he’s the highest rank after Muhammad (pbuh), so how can the second best prophet be sent when there are 400 million (the correct number was 200 million) saying the shahdah? It just might turn out that MGA was playing games with his followers.

So after his strong stance in not claiming prophethood just years before 1901, let’s examine some sources after 1901 to see if there was a change; if he actually proclaimed prophethood

They say….you have claimed prophethood, but I say: This is only a verbal expression. The prophet is he who prophesies, so what should we call the one who has communication with Allah? (Al Hakam, volume 9, number 39, 10/11/1905, page 3)

………..

The questioner: Do you claim prophethood?

 MGA: The righteous salaf all kept on believing the chain of divine communication is continuous in this Ummah…So I am a nabi from that perspective.

The questioner: So if it was possible for a prophet to come in Islam, then who came before you?

MGA: This question should not be raised to me but to the prophet (Muhammad (pbuh)) because the name nabi was given to one person only, and this name wasn’t given to someone before, so I am not responsible in responding to this question. (Bdir, volume 2, number 23, page 2-3, 7/6/1906)

So like in my previous blogs where I pointed out how Ahmadis always blame Islam for their messed up theology, MGA does the same, by first making stuff up and attributing it to Islam, and then when asked, points the finger at our beloved Muhammad (pbuh) and says ask him.

Nonetheless, if he had actually claimed prophethood, he would have an entirely different attitude to the questioners. When a person asked him in 1905 about claiming prophethood, he didn’t say ‘yes’, or ‘yes, I’m a prophet just like Isa (as) was a prophet’, or even ‘Didn’t you read misconception removed, I claimed prophethood there in front of everyone’ and that in itself is enough to debunk this theory as a whole. If he had changed his belief and claimed prophethood in 1901, then he’s obliged to first say that all his previous sayings are abrogated and therefore should not be used, his claim should be clear and decisive, not the odd quote presented by Ahmadis of him saying ‘it has become clear to me the word nabi’, and finally, he has to call everyone who doesn’t believe in him a Kafir and outside of the fold of Islam. So all in all, there’s no clear evidence to back up the 1901 theory.

MGA played it very nicely, if someone calls him a prophet from his community, it’s a win win, and he gets that honour. If an outsider comes and questions him, he says, this is only metaphoric, and only to do with prophesies, so he may also convince another person who doesn’t believe in his prophethood. This is exactly why the split took place in 1914. This whole thing about people receiving prophesies of future event is a Sufi thing. I even read it in Imam Al-Ghazali’s ‘Deliverance from error’ where he talks about how one can receive knowledge of the unseen upon his closeness to Allah. Now, whether that’s true is questionable, but does that mean Imam Al-Ghazali believed there could be another prophet after Muhammad (pbuh), definitely not. Even two weeks before the death of MGA, he says in yanbo’ Al Ma’rifa “but because of their ignorance, they don’t utter the word “prophethood” on communication containing many prophesies, but the purpose of prophethood is prophesies regarding future events, and the wahi and ilham only.” So even when he was nearing his death, he was trying to convince Muslims that he’s not really a prophet; but only in the sense of prophesies.

It’s interesting because Ahmadis are still torn by this concept till today. Some Ahmadis are actually Lahori in both prophethood and Takfeer, Ahmadis say to me ‘where are all the Lahoris’, I just reply with ‘Where are all the Qadyanis’, because a number of Ahmadis don’t believe in the prophethood of MGA, and certainly don’t believe we Muslims are Kuffar, even though the official position of Ahmadiyyat is that of us being Kuffar outside of the fold of Islam, but only Muslim by name. I read an interesting piece on Al Islam of a person who converted to Ahmadiyyat after being Lahori. This person was confused because both groups were quoting from the founder. However, it’s interesting to note that although this person became an Ahmadi, he/she kept their Lahor belief on prophethood after becoming an Ahmadi. Unfortunately, throughout this entire quest, this person couldn’t figure out the problem was rooted in MGA. Anyway, here is the take on prophethood from the article.

“My belief in the prophethood of the Promised Messiah did not change in any way. Only my attitude towards this prophethood has changed. As before, I did not take it as a separate or independent prophethood. I understood it to be an image of the Holy Prophet’s prophethood. As if a person is standing in front of a mirror and looking at his image. The image is not the real person. It does not have a separate or an independent entity. If the person does not exist, then his reflection in the mirror will also not exist. So this is the prophethood of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad – a reflection.”

To conclude this long entry; I would like to say that if MGA had the chance to publicly and openly claim prophethood, he would have, and he did by the way, not in accordance with the 1901 change, but because he wanted his followers to treat him like a prophet without exception, but avoid the wrath of Muslims at the same time. But as it is with liars onto Allah, he spent is entire life in deceit and hypocrisy. Such is the example of the disgraced. If the Dajjal has come, it was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad without doubt.

والسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

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13 thoughts on “The deceiver in the case of Prophethood

  1. This is an excellent essay.

    Have you reviewed MGA’s comments from Haqiqatal Wahy (1907) which explains how MGA was confused about this prophethood just like he was confused about being Esa (as)???

  2. This is very infrmative article . It proves hypocricy and deceit on the part of MGA and Others in the jamaat. I have read somewhere a denying statement of jamaat ahmadiyya that on his last tour of Lahore few days before his death he wrote a booklet “Paigham e Suleh” to denounce his claim of prophethood and expressing his faith on finality of prophethood. Only Allah swt knows fact.

  3. Here is the quote that needs to be analyzed with this essay in mind.

    “The conferment of titles is the pleasure and the work of the Lord God. I have no share in it. As for the question why I have written like this? Why has this contradiction crept in? So, please, listen and understand with care. This contradiction is of the same kind as in Barahin-i-Ahmadiyya I wrote, at one time, that the Messiah, son of Mary, could descend from the heavens. Later on, however, I put forth that I, myself, am the Messiah expected to come in the later times. The basis of the contradiction in that case was the same. Although, in Barahin-i-Ahmadiyya itself, the Lord God called me Isa and also said to me that the tiding of my advent had been given earlier by God and His Apostle. Since, however, a portion of the Muslims happened to have become firm on the belief, and I myself believed the same, that Hazrat Isa would come down from the heavens, I endeavoured to take the Wahyi at the apparent level; in fact, I watered it down in interpretation, and clung to the former view I had shared with the rest of the Muslims; and this was the view I did my best to propagate in Barahin-i-Ahmadiyya. Later on, however, Revelations came down on me, like the rain from heaven, to the effect that I myself was the Promised Messiah, so eagerly expected to appear, with hundreds of wonderful Signs and the earth, as well as the heavens took their stand in support of my position; and brilliant manifestations forced me to perceive that I, myself, was the Masih expected to appear in the later times. Otherwise, my belief on these points was the same as I had stated in Barahin-i- Ahmadiyya… Similarly, to begin with this was my belief that in no way was I comparable in quality with reference to Jesus son of Mary. He was a Prophet, great among those chosen by the Lord. Even when something occurred, which seemed to establish my superiority over him, always I took it to imply some limited and partial preference. Later on, however, the Wahyi sent down on me by the Lord, like pouring rain, it did not allow me to remain clinging to this belief; and I found the title of Nabi clearly conferred on me, in a manner that I was a Nabi from one angle, an Ummati from another… Anyway, the long and short of it all is this that there is no contradiction in what I say, I but follow the Wahyi, from the Lord. Just as long as this awareness did not come to me, I continued to say what I had said at the outset. But when I was given this awareness, I began to say different from what I had said before. I am no more than a human being: I do not claim to be the Knower of the Unseen.” (Haqiqatul Wahyi, page 148-150

  4. Here is another very important quotation that needs analysis:

    “At last that event did take place. In the year 1900, Maulavi ‘Abdul Karim, the preacher of the Friday sermon, gave a sermon in which he, used the words Nabi (Prophet) and Rasul (Messenger) for the Mirza. This caused great irritation to Maulavi Sayyid Muhammad Ahsan Amrohawi. When Maulavi ‘Abdul Karim came to know of this, he gave another Friday sermon in which be addressed the Mirza, requesting him to contradict his belief, if he was wrong in considering him to be a prophet and Messenger of God. After the Friday prayers were over, Maulavi ‘Abdul Karim caught hold of the skirt of the Mirza’s apparel and requested him to correct him in his beliefs if they were erroneous. The Mirza turned around and said that he, too, held the same belief. Meanwhile, Maulavi Muhammad Ahsan had been greatly agitated by the sermon and in anger was pacing the floor of the mosque. On Maulavi ‘Abdul Karim’s return, he began to quarrel with him. When their voices rose very high, the Mirza came out of his house and recited the Qur’anic verse: “O ye who believe! Don’t raise your Voice above the voice of the Prophet.”

    (This event is based on the report of a speech of Sayyid Sarwar Shah Qadiani at an annual conference held in Qadian, and published in al- Fadhl, Vol. X, No. 51, dated january.4,1923)

    (See also Haqiqat al- Nubuwat, p 124.[published in 1915])

  5. Jazakallah

    I had come across that before, but I couldn’t find it, so thank u very much for that.

    I think that in itself proves the root of the problem. MGA thinks up of something wacky, causes problems and disputes, if his income decreases because of it, he may retreat and say ‘I didn’t mean it’ or ‘It was metaphorical’

    Often ahmadis say the disputes started at the time of the first khalifa, but that’s completely false. These guys were having a fit in the mosque and near the house of MGA at his time about something so crucial. That’s what pisses me off about Lahoris, they still admire this man although he caused this much fitna and corruption.

    It’s interesting to note his carelessness in all of this. It’s like it’s not his fault, he could blame it on the Quran, our Nobel prophet, and even attribute things to the mufasireen to further his aims and goals of superiority and power. So I think he slipped up on this prophethood thing because people had started doubting if he went crazy or what.

    If this guy had a few years in him, God knows what he could’ve done or said, or found.

  6. Oh, so ur the rationaliser, interesting

    I thought that was the Chaudhry Akber guy. But there were others who were active in exposing MGA like xiahmad and a name starting with neo or along those lines.

    Yeh, I did pick some of my research from cult forum, but it was a challenge to figure out what went on in the head of this mad man.

  7. A former Ahmadi telling blatant lies to promote intolerance and misinformation against the True Teachings of Islam. The Promised Messiah, Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) a.k.a the Promised Reformer, ~was~ sent by God with one purpose in mind, to unite all religions under one peaceful banner of Islam.. and not the superficial Islam you practice Bash, but the True Teachings of Islam. Show me what the Jama’at Ahmadiyya has ever done other than to promote Peace or Service to Mankind? You can’t. As I’ve said before, you could spend your time doing something more progressive for your community other than writing this vitriol against a man whom many believe was the Guided One. Not to be place above or even near the Holy Prophet (sa). On the contrary. The Promised Messiah ~was a Prophet of God~ just one you stopped believing in. The Qur’an teaches us that Paradise lies under the feet of our Mothers. So why do you go against what your mother taught you? Why do you go against what she still believes? How important were our Mothers in the eyes of The Holy Prophet Mohammad (sa) ? You should stop this nonsense, if you don’t believe thats your business but to continue to try to defame your mother’s beliefs is against the Teachings of the Holy Prophet (sa)

  8. Salam

    Can you stop saying we spread lies without bringing evidence. I could say your a liar just by looking at your name. We won’t get anywhere if we talk like that.

    As with peace, I will keep on supporting Ahmadis as long as they spread peace with true intentions.

    You might know by now about the hidden agendas of Ahmadis since you spend time around them. If they really wanted peace, they wouldn’t be stacking up all them rice packs and water in the basement in case of a world war, why don’t you advice others to stack up what inadequate list you guys come up with? or don’t you wish for your enemies what you have?

    When I was Ahmadi, they gave me one of those homeopathic tablets protecting against nuclear bombs, you think that’s smart?

    And plus, you talk about peace like your talking to savages, or on a jihadi website; are we Muslims that bad? or do you wish that we were?

    If you really wanted peace, why not pray behind us Muslims, and cooperate with us, or are we all Mullahs that just want to kill you?

    Ahmadis want peace and justice as long as it comes from them. Don’t you see them run out with banners of ‘Love for All, Hatred for None’, and come up with the most cringe videos in response to terrorist attacks to support their agendas?

    Ahmadis would prefer the world destroyed because of them, haven’t you come across that? or are they going easy on you because you’re a new convert.

    Didn’t your prophet pray and wish in an Arabic poem in 1894 of a destructive disease? even before he announced his prophethood in 1901? Didn’t he pray for world war one to break out? Aren’t all of these conflicts and violence taken place because we neglected the Imam of the age?

    So are you really praying for peace? Or are you praying for, either become Ahmadi, or be destroyed by the wrath of Allah?

    Is this the peaceful message you wish to spread in the West? Or is it another one?

    It doesn’t take a lot of brain effort to figure out you’re in a joke James.

    Bilal Mahmood said to me recently on Twitter that Justice and peace can only be established when we all submit to your prophet. You think that’s smart?

    And another Ahmadi told me the punishments and earthquakes lessened because Ahmadi numbers have increased around the world. Who believes in this sick mentality among Muslims? bring me one, I dare you to bring me one Muslim who thinks the world revolves around them, and that earthquakes take place because he doesn’t have sufficient followers. So tell me James, are those the peace loving Ahmadi ‘Muslims’ you so passionately defend? Or is it too late to change your error now?

    And defaming your mother’s beliefs, are you serious James? Why don’t you tell that to the Sahabah of Rasul ullah (saw) who left their families and tribes?

    So if my mother decided to leave Islam, do you think I should follow her, or are you just joking around now?

  9. O ye the creatures of darkness, you would keep wandering in your transgression and increase your sin till your guilt becomes unpardonable in the sight of the Supreme Lord. Instead of slander mongering, writing piece of shit with your shitty brain, misguiding others and preparing Hell for yourself and others, you should have done some constructive work for the cause of Islam and for your own soul. None have escaped punishment who have slandered against this man of God, the Promised Messiah, the Imam Mahdi. This is my personal advice to you and such ignorant and irrational so fools who are wasting time by reading such blasphemous writings. Repent and seek guidance from God before his wrath strikes and tears you I to pieces …. Curse of God be upon the liars, slanderers, for this blasphemy.

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